#1 By: hrr5010, September 5th, 2018 16:04
Hi guys! I figured I'd create a separate message board thread for those of us tracking player cuts for [the Zero RB watchlist.
There's a lot of info coming out and I doubt the backfields are currently settled. Both Boston Scott (cut) and Byron Marshall (IR) were changes that occurred during editing, so it's kind of important to stay on top of this stuff. I'll be counting on you guys to catch some items that I might've missed, so the post remains updated frequently.
Thanks for your help! Enjoy the last day without the NFL!
#2 By: Matt, September 5th, 2018 16:45
In a 0.5 PPR, would you rather own Breida or Morris? I tried trading for Breida prior to McKinnon's injury unsuccessfully but did pick up Morris. I am currently starting Morris as my RB2 with Aaron Jones, Ekeler, and Buck Allen on the bench. The Breida owner would likely be forced to start him this week if Bell does not play (his other RBs are Blount [he's starting Kerryon in his other RB spot] and Spencer Ware). So I would think that he may be amenable to swapping Morris for Blount (since Morris has a much better track record). But which guy is the better one to own, not just for this week, but for the rest of the season? Will Breida ever be a 15-20 touches a game guy?
#3 By: hrr5010, September 5th, 2018 18:22
Probably Morris over Blount. You’re swapping out a guy in a possible 2 person RBBC in Morris for Blount. In order for kerryon to truly become a viable every week starter in your lineup, he needs to overtake Blount and quick. And it’s possible he does just that. Which makes blounts floor scary low vs Morris’s. I’d hold Morris
#4 By: Matt, September 5th, 2018 19:30
I screwed that up. I meant Breida not Blount. Who do you prefer between Breida and Morris?
#5 By: Shawn Siegele , September 5th, 2018 20:33
Awesome work by @hrr5010. Love the Ultimate Watchlist.
I'm probably wrong, but it seems bizarre that McKinnon goes down and we move from "Breida is going to force an almost even timeshare with a guy who was just brought in as the savior," to "Breida is going to play behind a 30-year-old who looked done in Dallas the last two years."
That's not to say Morris couldn't be a good player. I always thought he was underrated in Washington, but he's also a guy who has 17 receptions as his career high.
(But I'm also getting exposure to both players. I bid 93/100 on Morris in the Fish Bowl and got him.)
#6 By: hrr5010, September 5th, 2018 23:07
If you can trade them straight up, I’d do it. Otherwise I’m fine avoiding.
#7 By: Ginoooooobliii, September 6th, 2018 03:22
Hey Shawn, 93/100! I am curios who your other rbs are in that league?
Edit: great idea doing this @hrr5010
If you were to trade, what value should you expect out of Morris? My buddy was asking if would do MT + morris for Obj. I countered with Hop since I have Barkley. It's very tempting ..
I think Morris is around Cooper Kupp/Will Fuller/Tarik Cohen range. In the recent drafts I saw at high stakes, Morris is going in 7th Rd.
#8 By: Shawn Siegele , September 6th, 2018 03:34
Fish Bowl is pretty RB heavy, so I had a lot before the bid. It's superflex.
QB: Smith, Prescott, J. Allen, McCown
RB: Gordon, McCoy, Freeman, R. Jones, Carson, A. Jones, Morris
WR: Hopkins, Diggs, Goodwin, Anderson, Woods, Agholor, Richardson, Boyd
TE: Goedert, Everett, Griffin
My middle round RBs and WRs have gained a lot of value since the July draft, so I'm in fairly good shape there, but my TEs are extremely poor. If there's ever a good TE add, I could regret the Morris bid, but almost all of the relevant TEs are owned, making it fairly unlikely. Fortunately, TE only has to count for 1 of the 11 starters.
#9 By: Matt, September 6th, 2018 09:09
Well, the sequence of events has worked out perfectly for Morris. Due to both McKinnon and Breida down they had to bring another back in and brought in Morris because he was familiar with Shanahan and his system (yes, I know his dad was calling the plays in Wash). Then when Morris is in the preseason games he outplays both Joe Williams and Jeremy McNichols, relegating them to afterthoughts. So when McKinnon goes down, SF already had a guy to replace him.
I agree that McKinnon would serve as more of an obstacle to touches (due to his effectiveness last year, his fit for the scheme, the financial investment) to Breida than would Morris (older [although I don't think it's fair to say that he looked washed last year], doesn't catch passes, little financial investment), but isn't it reasonable to somewhat doubt whether SF would put Breida in a role to get 15-20 touches due to the fact that they brought another guy in rather than promoting him (and due to his 195 lb weight)?
If everyone is healthy in the preseason and McKinnon goes down week 2, I think Breida is the likely candidate to lead the backfield in touches, but that's not how the situation worked out. Ultimately, if we think that Breida was going to be the Coleman to McKinnon's Freeman, then his situation now is hopefully Coleman+, but again, I somewhat doubt whether SF will ever let him be "the guy".
I've got exposure to both players as well but my heart will be rooting for Breida.
#10 By: hrr5010, September 6th, 2018 11:01
I like MT a lot man... its a decent amount to give up for OBJ and its more than fair on his part. Especially if he REALLY wants OBJ. Otherwise I'm fine holding.
#11 By: Shawn Siegele , September 6th, 2018 13:54
The sequence has worked out perfectly for Morris.
Arguably, they did promote Breida. He moved from No. 2 to No. 1 on the depth chart and Morris is behind him. I don't think it's a situation where they brought another guy in instead of doing that. They needed RB depth to get through the preseason, and any team needs multiple quality RBs.
But then Morris looked great and quickly moved ahead of Williams and McNichols, which provides valuable insight into how they see him.
I don't doubt that Morris''ll get a lot of work, but I don't think Breida's weight is a big issue. He's up to 200, which is just slightly below Freeman and Coleman. Shanahan's had good success with that size back and may actually prefer them.
If all goes right, there'll be enough value here for both players to finish as RB2s or better.
But maybe this will be 2010 all over again. I bid 993/1000 on Morris after Week 1 of that season and then he went on to 1690/13.
#12 By: epistemology, September 6th, 2018 19:16
Funny it doesn't seem too long ago I remember when Morris was a zero RB guy after Shanapants used him in the preseason. I drafted him 14th Rnd in my only appearance in the vegas FFPC. I didn't go zero rb because I had the first pick and took Rice then Roddy. Arian Foster scared some people off including me after pulling a hammy or back muscle right before the draft. I didn't do very well as I missed on Fitzgerald, Steve Smith in Carolina, and Bowe.