#21 By: Adam Eraky, September 19th, 2018 12:06
I was offered to trade away Tevin Coleman for Allen Robinson straight up.
Like it was mentioned above, I'm not really in a rush to get rid of Coleman, as he's looking at potentially a month of RB1 opportunity/production. Couple that with my remaining RBs not quite firing out like I had hoped, and I'm extremely hesitant to send away Coleman. Here are the rest of my RBs:
DJ, Drake, Coleman, Breida, Kerryon, Royce, RoJo.
#22 By: hrr5010, September 19th, 2018 13:14
Tevin for ARob is fair, but if you're in a bind at RB i'd hold. There's no telling how long Freeman is out for, and he's gonna slot in solidly as their best option.
I offered the Freeman owner Tevin for ARob since he's got 0 starting RBs (both Mixon and Freeman are out) and he rejected. He also countered with Stills for Tevin, which I rejected. I did tell him that if it comes out that Freeman is sidelined for most of the year, the price is going to go up.
The price is far too rich for Woods. I like Bobby Woods, but the WR target share will be volatile week to week. I think offering Alf+Allison would be a good buy low offer, but it's possible that the Woods owner doesn't want anything to do with Alf after the big Breida game.
Ingram could be a VERY good trade chip next week, because... the Saints' DEF doesn't look too great. I'll have more notes on this in next weeks ZRB report. When people start getting hyped up for Ingram's return, you could probably get a very VERY good player in exchange.
One of the reasons for that is explained by @FF_Contrarian here. People will be strongly anchoring to Ingram's 2017 as their prior, and you could legitimately sneak out a very good player in exchange (I'd say Thielen/Diggs would be rich, but if this Buffalo game is a blowout, maybe their owner thinks twice about them especially if either player underwhelms) if someone's supremely excited for him.
I'd throw it to @BRB_3 and @devinmci for some added thoughts, because I use both their columns extensively before looking at trades.
#23 By: hrr5010, September 19th, 2018 13:16
Who are your WRs? that determines this trade. You have to hold DJ and Drake I think, but Coleman's value is off the charts if Freeman misses the next 8 games for example.
You can allow RoJo and Kerryon to mature. I have some notes on those 2 in the ZRB report, so feel free to ask if I need to expand.
#24 By: Adam Eraky, September 19th, 2018 13:21
Just popped open your watchlist article, looking forward to diving into that.
My WRs are: Keenan, Diggs, Agholor, Golladay, Stills. So I'm not exactly in a bind here. On the other hand, it's full PPR & you can start up to 4 WRs.
#25 By: Ben_Battle3, September 19th, 2018 13:35
Glad you liked the article, appreciate the love.
I would offer just Conner or just Thompson for Hunt and see what happens. Probably will be a no but worth a shot given the first 2 weeks of output.
Either of those + Godwin to acquire Hunt would be strong, in my opinion. I would hold Fuller for now.
In .5 PPR I would even consider Diggs for Hunt. You might be able to give Diggs for Hunt + something else, so consider that, as well.
#26 By: Ginoooooobliii, September 19th, 2018 13:35
Hi Hasan, your thoughts are exactly in line with mine. Coleman for woods was not something I offered, I did offer Coleman for Arob. But owner said no. You are also perfectly in sync with the market about Alf. I offered alf + Allison for woods, but no response yet. Either way, whether a trade works out or not, these threads are a good way to determine market value. appreciate your help.
#27 By: Ben_Battle3, September 19th, 2018 13:41
Coleman vs ARob in PPR is close and a fair trade if you prefer a certain angle.
Personally, I would wait another week to monitor Ito Smith's usage and Freeman's status, then make a call from there.
That trade is very 50/50 at this point, hard to find an angle.
#28 By: hrr5010, September 19th, 2018 13:44
Your'e in no rush to make this trade. Let them come to you, since you'd rather be glad you held DJ/Drake through fallow periods. It has to get better for DJ, and Drake is a similarish player. It's not gonna be a total stranglehold on the backfield, but the market is already low on Drake.. so it's a bad time to sell.
The issue with ARob is he's coming off an island game where he dominated all the targets. Trubisky failed to do much vs. a defense that Case Keenum shredded, and i'm concerned about Trubisky in tougher matchups. I'm still rooting for the kid, but ARob could as he goes.
Coleman also didn't exactly smash the week, although he was fine. Hopefully he crushes this week though.
#29 By: Ginoooooobliii, September 19th, 2018 14:18
This is the same fear I have with Burton as well. But, shovel pass was a manufactured tough. So, in Nagy we trust.
#30 By: Vince, September 19th, 2018 14:51
I have AB and Juju in a redraft HPPR.
I've been offered Landry for Juju. Would it be prudent to take this trade to diversify my risk portfolio in case Big Ben goes down?
#31 By: devinmci, September 19th, 2018 14:55
@kdenigris Collins is probably in a tier above Ekeler and Burkhead, in the sense that if Buck Allen gets injured he could potentially take over a huge workload, whereas I think Ekeler and Burkhead are likely to be in committee situations no matter what (although that doesn't matter quite as much in full ppr). Most owners drafted Collins early enough that they won't want to deal him, but if it's a team that maybe has lucked out with Phillip Lindsay or Adrian Peterson off waivers, I would offer Keelan Cole, who looks awesome, but might be inconsistent on a team that often will not need to throw much, and if you could always throw in Rojo or Chubb if the owner feels the need to get a RB back (and you could ask for a similar type WR back, maybe Boyd or Callaway or Ross or whatever).
I think you are always looking to trade depth for studs if you can, because you can get more depth free off waivers (in most leagues), and you can almost never gets studs except in the draft. It's too early in the sense that owners are not quite feeling desperate enough to cut bait on early round picks, although possibly you can target David Johnson already if his owner is 0-2. In terms of clearly overpaying for studs because it makes your starting group stronger, I'm hesitant to ever do that, unless you're getting a top 5 type player that is getting 25 ppg. There is so much luck involved in taking down a championship, you want as many paths to get there as you can.
@turndownforwatt I think I would want Coleman over Woods. I'm not sure Woods is much of an upgrade over Allison, although I suppose there is risk that Allison eventually loses snaps to one of the rookies, but he would probably have to really stumble for that to happen and he has been playing well.
#32 By: hrr5010, September 19th, 2018 15:03
No. It's a -EV move, since each league is its own ecosystem. Landry has incredible upside, but it's quite similar to JuJu's thus far. Conner is a beast at RB, but the passing game funnels through AB and JuJu. I'd be looking to move JuJu for Landry + another player, if you really want to move away.
#33 By: Shawn Siegele , September 19th, 2018 15:17
I agree with @hrr5010. As much as I think Landry is perpetually undervalued and could explode with Mayfield, JuJu has the potential to be the overall WR1. (This is mostly speculation, but I'm not sure JuJu would be hurt as much in the case of a Big Ben injury either.)
#34 By: hrr5010, September 19th, 2018 15:38
Historically AB has been fine when guys like Landry Jones took over under center. He still got fed, and performed really well. Now that the Steelers have upgraded backup QBs (either Josh Dobbs or Mason Rudolph are a significant leap beyond Landry Jones) I'd fully expect them to continue to produce if Ben misses time.
#35 By: Conrad Strasser, September 19th, 2018 16:57
@FF_Contrarian @hrr5010 Shawn and others, can I ask if you would deal Hogan or Marvin Jones AND Gronk for Michael Thomas and Kittle? My receiving corp is deep (Hilton, Jones, Hogan, Kupp, Golladay, ARob), but I haven't been able to turn that depth into an alpha wideout so far. My RBs are Saquon, Coleman, and a bunch of zero rb types like Cohen and Duke who are looking shaky at the moment.
#36 By: William Russell, September 19th, 2018 17:19
@hrr5010 @BRB_3 liking the Coleman value 'off the charts' remark above. My Cole for Coleman offer is still pending. I'm not sure the guy's going to bite, but pretty comfortable either way.
Either way my next move could be for another TE. I offered Lindsay for Jimmy Graham today but it was rejected straight up. The guy's the Royce owner though, so I think he'll be getting worried if the DEN backfield continues the way it's been going wks 1-2. Love trades, so much fun!
#37 By: devinmci, September 19th, 2018 17:38
@kdenigris I'd offer Conner + Thompson for Hunt.
@ed1 I agree with @mateoloco. It's possible for Hunt to exceed DJ in 0.5 ppr, but DJ should have a huge portion of the offense going forward. And Kelce is too good to part with, even though I'm higher on Jimmy Graham than some.
@mateoloco I think sometimes offering too many players makes the deal confusing, and it can get rejected because they see Robby and are like, don't try to dump Robby on me. I would offer Wentz + McCoy for Collins + Watkins + QB of their choice. That said, I'm not in a crazy rush to make this deal. Your team is looking good, McCoy is probably a hold, and Wentz could be the QB1. If you're worried about the bottom dropping out of McCoy, you could offer him for Sammy straight up.
@EZPZ Yeah, I think Juju already is the player you're hoping Landry would become with Mayfield. I don't like to diversify away from the best offenses, even if it creates correlated risks.
#38 By: devinmci, September 19th, 2018 17:40
@C_Veidt Yes, I'd do that without hesitation, but I'd be shocked if the Michael Thomas owner would go for it, unless they are enormous Patriots homer.
#39 By: hrr5010, September 19th, 2018 18:25
I echo @devinmci’s thoughts. The offense is fairly concentrated right now. Neither Cam Meredith, nor Tre’Quan Smith have played much. Plus gronk is coming off a dud game.
I’d be looking to make this trade as well. Hopefully the other player accepts.
#40 By: Jason, September 19th, 2018 21:48
What is everyone doing regarding Lev Bell? I have Connor in two leagues. One of which I am 2-0 and have a very strong team. If I advance to 3-0, do I cash in the chips on Tuesday and sell Connor in a package deal? What type of players are you generally hoping to gain from Connor? I’m thinking packaging Connor + Landry for CMac + Golladay would be awesome, or something along those lines where an 0-3 team might be panicking.
Conversely, what would you pay for Lev Bell? Would you only buy if you are licking good for the playoffs?
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