#1 By: Bryce Baxter, September 26th, 2018 13:06
The dude is a liability. He may finish the year a 1000 yard reciever, 6 TD's but its painful to start that guy. Everyone has expressed this sentiment before. I ask as a zero RB drafter, someone with many WR options but is currently 0 and 3, is the guy a nearly every week start on his potential alone?
I'll broaden that question, what do you do with Amari Cooper?
- League doesn't want him
- Too Valuable to drop
- Breakout games are too difficult to predict.
Can someone who's watched every Raiders game this year even tell me what they're doing with him?
#2 By: hrr5010, September 26th, 2018 20:35
As a guy who was ultra high on Amari to start the year, and has someone who owns him everywhere, and played him everywhere and is also 0-3... I have the same question.
@hba24 did a great piece on Amari this time last year: http://rotoviz.com/2017/10/the-wrong-read-episode-6-is-it-time-to-worry-about-amari-cooper/
I was wondering if he had any additional thoughts? Because my goodness... this guy can go for 40+ points, but also winds up being scripted out of the game plan. I'm not a fan of Carr, and I blame it on him. But i'm also in denial.
#3 By: William Russell, September 27th, 2018 05:35
@Bryce I hear you both. Drafted Amari in 2nd of a PPR keeper league. Felt like a bit of a reach, but I was inspired by @hrr5010 piece Amari could lead the league in targets. I've rolled him out as my WR3 and am also 0-3!
Rest of my WR corps are Keenan, JuJu, Cole, Boyd, Sammy & Funchess. He'll play this wk as Panthers are on bye, but genuinely unsure if he's startable on a weekly basis. In terms of value, I offered him to the Kelce owner as a straight up trade, but he rejected as it was wk 2 when Travis caught 2 x TDs. I'm wondering if I can use the Weekly Stat Explorer to target productive matchups moving forward, then leverage this to trade him for a better RB the following wk.
#4 By: Mark, September 27th, 2018 12:11
Josh Hermsmeyer wrote him up for this week's Air Yards Buy Low article at 4for4. He makes a compelling case for rolling him out there this week.
#5 By: hrr5010, September 27th, 2018 13:11
Yeah. I've been rolling him out as my WR3 with the same disastrous results. Thing is - he squashed the buggaboo matchup that was the Broncos. 10 targets, 10 catches for 100+ yards against a team he's struggled against... that's very encouraging.
I've never been able to quantify it, but the receiver opposite Amari tends to thrive. Look at Crabtree over his two years. last year when Amari was out, Crabtree was pathetic as the focal point of the offense. Dude lost production to Jared Cook AND Seth Roberts (not TD production, but receiving yardage as well). Crabtree on Baltimore is an absolute shell of himself.
Jordy was released by Green Bay, and smashes now that he's running routes across from Amari. My theory is that Amari is one of the prototypical X WRs who ends up drawing plenty of attention. I also think Carr's a terrible QB who can't hit Amari in tight windows.
I do think the Weekly Stat Explorer helps, but the best thing for Amari would be two-three games of dominance. People have fled from the Amari bandwagon, and probably won't return.
#6 By: hrr5010, September 27th, 2018 13:12
Yeah. I'm definitely rolling him out there in GPP's AND in my redraft/dynasty leagues. Great note @mschoenn3
#7 By: Jonathon Arndt, September 28th, 2018 17:59
what about dynasty? is anyone buying cooper in dynasty? I continue to bang my head into the wall with him and in the one dynasty league where I dont have him I am trying to buy. any one have any thoughts on this?
#8 By: Bryce Baxter, October 1st, 2018 20:31
Brothers we were rewarded! 12 targets 8 receptions 128yards and a redzone TD. This isn't vindication but its promising. Jared Cook went 8 for 13 last night and leads the team with 35 targets. I don't have the data on his types of routes or airyards, but the main takeaway for me is Derek Car wants to get him involved. Thats a start.
His bad games this year were against the Rams and Miami. Rams seemed pretty straightforward but I'm willing to call my shot and say the Miami game will be an outlier in the Raiders season.
#9 By: Adam Eraky, October 2nd, 2018 14:12
So to answer your question, Cooper is tied with Cook with the team lead of 0.47 WOPR, leads the team in MS of air yards (0.29), while having a total share of targets of 0.18, which doesn't really tell the full story, because in weeks 2 & 4, his totals jump to 0.59, 0.33, and 0.24, while weeks 1 & 3 are 0.31, .23, & .10 (WOPR, MS Air Yards, MS Targets).
It truly has been two different tales for Cooper. His talent leads me to think that he should have more games like 2 & 4 then 1 & 3, but I am biased because I love Amari, so take that for what it's worth lol.
#10 By: William Russell, October 3rd, 2018 16:03
Hi everyone in this interesting thread. Trying to figure out what to do with Amari. Should I offer him and Gio to the Mixon owner to get Diggs?
He just dropped Hogan, so I could potentially grab him off waivers on Sat. @bryce @hrr5010 @aweraky @gunnarstahl @mschoenn3
Alternative I keep Amari and watch him SMASH IT
#11 By: hrr5010, October 3rd, 2018 16:26
I uhhhh don't know. My feelings/thoughts about Amari are supremely biased, but he's also the WR4 on most of the leagues i've drafted him in. In one PPR league where we start 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1 FLEX, DST, K I own:
OBJ, Julio, Doug Baldwin (welcome home), Amari, Boyd, Chris Godwin as my WRs... so it kinda comes down to roster construction. My fear with Amari is target share, and his dang boom bust nature. Maybe Gio + Amari for Diggs is worth it. Wonder what @FF_Contrarian or @devinmci think
#12 By: Bryce Baxter, October 3rd, 2018 16:50
My gut reaction is that's worth it. As much as Vikings want to be a run team, their O-line won't let them so Diggs and Thielen are going to continue to get a healthy stream of targets. Considering Mixon is coming back today, I doubt the other team would go for it.
I find it very hard to trade away Amari but like @hrr5010 my recievers are OBJ, K.Allen, Jarvis Landry, Marvin Jones, Amari Cooper and Micheal Thomas so I'm comfortable flexing him. From weeks 5 to 14, Amari has a number of plus match-ups.
Some encouraging numbers though, he has a 70% catch rate on the year averaging 12.9 ypr. Bad news though, Jared Cook has a higher catch percentage, more yards per reception, higher catch rate and more targets. Do with that what you will.
#13 By: Dennis, October 4th, 2018 00:48
@Will I'd do it for Diggs. With Mixon returning i think what you have with gio will be ultimately replaceable. not that huge work loads grow on trees but rod smith, as Hasan has pointed out has excelled in the no Elliot role and elliot isnt 100% and could get as many looks as gio if the starter went down. so id do it and with my new roster spot go grab smith or ur next fave FA target. Diggs is a solid bet to outscore Coop the rest of the way. when healthy hes been the better player and he has the better qb
FWIW, id turn u down if i had diggs and counter to try and get cooper off u for something like Godwin + jamaal williams or Jimmy Graham +1
I offered some crap today for Keenan allen with the note: knee and tooth issues, limited, not getting red zone targets because of Williams gates gordon ekeler. plus bye weeks coming...trade?
and the guy countered and gave me: keenan and clement and rhett ellison and asked for latavius, Demaryius and jimmy graham. i insta accepted and still dunno why he did it. so its worth throwing out some one sided trades if someone is 1-3 and facing another L.
#14 By: William Russell, October 4th, 2018 05:12
@JollyG804 @Bryce @hrr5010 he did indeed turn it down. He really just wants Gio as a cheap Mixon handcuff. Offered Lockett straight up, but I don't need him. Thinks I'll drop Gio during bye wks anyway.
He did cheek me by saying he was 'lowering his team's ceiling' if he swapped Amari for Diggs. Not sure which Rotoviz app to use to check this, but pretty sure Amari's ceiling is as high as Diggs'. He's just less consistent.
#15 By: Dennis, October 4th, 2018 10:57
well on a weekly basis the GLSP...rotoworld does a top 200 rest of season rank and has diggs ranked 23rd and cooper ranked 78th a monster difference for what its worth w diggs coming way out on top. diggs isnt going away unless he gets hurt whereas coop may just takes a month or 2 off historically.
not that u asked, so i mean this humbly entirely ive made some awful and some great trades and its a mixed bag... but i wouldnt bother trying to use data to persuade the person tho thats prob never worked for me. better bet is to fish around with another offer to see where u may value guys very differently and embrace that u likely have different sources of info and opinions. i think Cooper is still worth pursuing but more in the mold Hasan says of your 4th or 5th Wideout, not like Diggs who is ideally your 3rd best.
i have cooper where i have guys like corey davis and golladay.
#16 By: Bryce Baxter, October 7th, 2018 18:59
Okay Amari, what's going on?
#17 By: William Russell, October 8th, 2018 07:01
@Bryce another nightmare wk for Amari, but luckily for me, my opponent played DeSean Jackson on a bye. A fluky way to win and frankly I needed it.
Not his fault though, Carr only targeted him once. Casey Hayward or not, you can't spend a whole game ignoring your WR1, forcing throws to inferior players and expect to win. That redzone pick to Ingram was especially egregious.
#18 By: thickfreakness, October 22nd, 2018 15:21
The trade to Dallas has to skyrocket Amari's value right? They need a #1 in the passing game and are likely to force feed him targets. Here's hoping last year was really a fluke!
#19 By: William Russell, October 22nd, 2018 17:20
You would hope so. He gets back to back bye wks to get healthy and some time to learn the (incredibly vanilla) Cowboys offense.
My trade away of him and the revelation that has been Phillip Lindsay to get Dalvin Cook is looking a bit hasty at this point...
#20 By: Different one, October 22nd, 2018 17:25
I don't know if it will "skyrocket." It is tough to pick up an offense midseason, unless you are someone like Josh Gordon who just runs deep routes and is elite contested catcher. Anything that requires timing requires more chemistry with the QB, especially a scrambler like Dak.
You have to think he got a pretty prime opportunity with the Raiders and failed with it. I'd have to think he's worth a flyer only at this point.
Not exactly fantasy related, but a first round pick in return?!?
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